Since I have been in an online debate with someone who claims AA doesn't work and advocates the Sinclair Method, I should go over the newer medication assisted therapies.
The Sinclair Method is simply suggesting to use the medication Naltrexone along with engaging in moderate drinking. There have been studies showing that people can more easily moderately drink when taking Naltrexone, but the effect has also been described as being modest.
The Sinclair Method has the same problem all other moderation methods have: Yes, it shows some, albeit modest, level of short term success, but we do not have long term studies. Short-term studies advocating moderate drinking are unreliable; long term follow ups show the "moderate" drinkers drinking heavily again. Until we have a 10-year follow up study showing people still using Naltrexone to moderate their drinking, or being able to abstain from drinking altogether after using Naltrexone for a while, I am very skeptical. We have had too many people die deceiving themselves with "moderate drinking" approaches; I have not seen evidence that Naltrexone is a silver bullet that will change things.
Naltrexone is not an effective therapy for people who want to abstain; there are two studies showing this drug has little to no effect when the patient pursues abstinence.
Acamprosate, on the other hand, seems to work better when the goal is abstinence. The effect is "small but significant", but it may help alcoholics achieve abstinence when used with other therapies.
I think, when used with the 12 steps and regular Alcoholics Anonymous, Acamprosate may be a helpful drug for achieving long-term sobriety. Bill Wilson had no objection to the use of medications to successfully work the AA program. That said, while the effect for both drugs is there, it's small.
Monday, January 8, 2018
Sunday, January 7, 2018
I also oppose dogmatism in AA
There is remarkable little I disagree on with the author of https://www.recoveringfromrecovery.com/
The fact of the matter is this: A quarter of a century ago, when a home computer was an investment which cost as much as a good used car, and the internet was only something only occasionally mentioned in magazines, people were a lot more dogmatic in AA meetings. The steps, outlined in the first 164 pages of the Big Book were the only way to save sober, and if you didn't get serious about working the steps right now you would surely relapse again. People enjoyed beating the program over people's head and using the program as an excuse to bully newcomers.
I found the dogmatism of those people repulsive, and managed to stay sober, even though I had to fire my sponsor just before working my fifth step. According to the AA fundamentalists, I was on the path to relapse since I didn't finish the steps. It took me a decade to finally finish up the steps (where step nine has been by and large living amends), a decade where I never relapsed.
The point being: I was not, for large parts of my recovery, a Big Book thumper. There was a brief period when I started thumping the Big Book pretty heavily at meetings, to the point someone with more time than me told me to stop beating the drum. The program, as written in the first 164 pages of the Big Book, is a very effective program, but I no longer pretend that it is the only, or even necessarily best, way to stay sober.
And, the AA program has changed. It used to be standard fare to hear people proclaim "The program as written in the first 164 pages is the way to stay sober." Recently, I got in a heated discussion when I pointed out that a person can stay sober with just the 164; telling people they must work the program a certain way is just not how things are done at AA meetings any more.
Atheists, who used to hide in the corners, now openly proclaim their atheism in the rooms. Indeed, the Gravevine is looking for atheists and agnostics who are still sober to publish their stories in official AA literature. They may still be Big Book meetings, but there are also people with years clean and sober who openly admit that they do not like the Big Book in meetings.
That said, the fanaticism of people with an agenda is even worse. https://www.recoveringfromrecovery.com/anti-aa-forums-and-blogs/ describes them well. When they were a loud spoken minority, that was one thing. Once Lance Dodes's book made their viewpoints get printed in mainstream journals, that was when a line was crossed. I knew, from my decades of experience with AA, that claims of AA not being helpful were simply not true. I started reading scientific papers, started to understand what was being discussed; the page http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/10/26/alcoholics-anonymous-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ is a good, reasonably balanced introduction to what the science has to say about AA effectiveness.
AA works if you work it. The science shows that. The AA Big Book, in the preface to the second edition, claims a 75% success rate among "alcoholics who came to A.A. and really tried." Multiple observational studies support this figure, to name just three: Valliant 1995, Fiorentine 1999, and Moos and Moos 2006.
No, AA is not for everyone. There are people who may be better off staying sober using SMART Recovery, Life Ring Fellowship, The Sinclair Method, whatever. Or the first 164 pages of the Big Book: I have well over 10,000 days clean and sober working the Big Book program. But making false claims that AA fails the majority of people who really try the program is downright dishonest. Making claims that AA has a 5% success rate is downright dishonest. Using 38-year-old or 50-year-old studies to claim AA doesn't work while ignoring studies from this century showing AA effectiveness is downright dishonest.
Hence, this blog. I correct the record when people with an agenda against AA use outdated or inaccurate information to downplay AA's huge success keeping people sober.
The fact of the matter is this: A quarter of a century ago, when a home computer was an investment which cost as much as a good used car, and the internet was only something only occasionally mentioned in magazines, people were a lot more dogmatic in AA meetings. The steps, outlined in the first 164 pages of the Big Book were the only way to save sober, and if you didn't get serious about working the steps right now you would surely relapse again. People enjoyed beating the program over people's head and using the program as an excuse to bully newcomers.
I found the dogmatism of those people repulsive, and managed to stay sober, even though I had to fire my sponsor just before working my fifth step. According to the AA fundamentalists, I was on the path to relapse since I didn't finish the steps. It took me a decade to finally finish up the steps (where step nine has been by and large living amends), a decade where I never relapsed.
The point being: I was not, for large parts of my recovery, a Big Book thumper. There was a brief period when I started thumping the Big Book pretty heavily at meetings, to the point someone with more time than me told me to stop beating the drum. The program, as written in the first 164 pages of the Big Book, is a very effective program, but I no longer pretend that it is the only, or even necessarily best, way to stay sober.
And, the AA program has changed. It used to be standard fare to hear people proclaim "The program as written in the first 164 pages is the way to stay sober." Recently, I got in a heated discussion when I pointed out that a person can stay sober with just the 164; telling people they must work the program a certain way is just not how things are done at AA meetings any more.
Atheists, who used to hide in the corners, now openly proclaim their atheism in the rooms. Indeed, the Gravevine is looking for atheists and agnostics who are still sober to publish their stories in official AA literature. They may still be Big Book meetings, but there are also people with years clean and sober who openly admit that they do not like the Big Book in meetings.
That said, the fanaticism of people with an agenda is even worse. https://www.recoveringfromrecovery.com/anti-aa-forums-and-blogs/ describes them well. When they were a loud spoken minority, that was one thing. Once Lance Dodes's book made their viewpoints get printed in mainstream journals, that was when a line was crossed. I knew, from my decades of experience with AA, that claims of AA not being helpful were simply not true. I started reading scientific papers, started to understand what was being discussed; the page http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/10/26/alcoholics-anonymous-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ is a good, reasonably balanced introduction to what the science has to say about AA effectiveness.
AA works if you work it. The science shows that. The AA Big Book, in the preface to the second edition, claims a 75% success rate among "alcoholics who came to A.A. and really tried." Multiple observational studies support this figure, to name just three: Valliant 1995, Fiorentine 1999, and Moos and Moos 2006.
No, AA is not for everyone. There are people who may be better off staying sober using SMART Recovery, Life Ring Fellowship, The Sinclair Method, whatever. Or the first 164 pages of the Big Book: I have well over 10,000 days clean and sober working the Big Book program. But making false claims that AA fails the majority of people who really try the program is downright dishonest. Making claims that AA has a 5% success rate is downright dishonest. Using 38-year-old or 50-year-old studies to claim AA doesn't work while ignoring studies from this century showing AA effectiveness is downright dishonest.
Hence, this blog. I correct the record when people with an agenda against AA use outdated or inaccurate information to downplay AA's huge success keeping people sober.
Saturday, January 6, 2018
Surprise! An article in a stoner magazine doesn't like Alcoholics Anonymous
Surprise! An article in a stoner magazine doesn't like Alcoholics Anonymous.
This article uses the following two anti-AA tropes to claim that AA does not work:
This article uses the following two anti-AA tropes to claim that AA does not work:
- Lance Dodes' claim that AA has a 5-8% success rate, which I have have dealt with four years ago in this blog, and which has been fully refuted in the article "Alcoholics Anonymous and The Atlantic: A Call For Better Science"
- That table in Handbook of Alcoholism Treatment Approaches which anti-steppers (such as stoners lying to themselves) love to bring out, which is also quite inaccurate (yes, I have already blogged about this table). Did I mention that its author, William R. Miller, has recently written a book telling alcoholics how to moderate their drinking which is, quite bluntly, a fool's errand.
Tuesday, January 2, 2018
2018 is starting off as a great year
2018 is starting off as a great year.
The Vox published today a well-researched story about Alcoholics Anonymous with information which actually reflects what treatment experts know about AA today, called Why some people swear by Alcoholics Anonymous — and others despise it.
Unlike the anti-AA polemics posted by NPR, The Atlantic, and Salon over the past few years, they did not waste their time interviewing known anti-AA critics Lance Dodes or Stanton Peele. Instead, they talked to people with a more balanced view, such as Keith Humphreys.
There’s no nonsense about AA having a 5% success rate; they say about a third of alcoholics are successful using AA. This is actually higher than the numbers I have seen; for example, Moos and Moos 2006 shows that AA has a 67% success rate among the 25% or so of alcoholics who choose to be highly involved in the program their first year sober.
I am glad to see the mainstream press is starting to publish articles showing the real success rate for AA, instead of publishing articles with deceptive success rate figures (there is no peer-reviewed study which concludes AA has a 5% success rate!) which discourage people from going to a program which can save their life.
The Vox published today a well-researched story about Alcoholics Anonymous with information which actually reflects what treatment experts know about AA today, called Why some people swear by Alcoholics Anonymous — and others despise it.
Unlike the anti-AA polemics posted by NPR, The Atlantic, and Salon over the past few years, they did not waste their time interviewing known anti-AA critics Lance Dodes or Stanton Peele. Instead, they talked to people with a more balanced view, such as Keith Humphreys.
There’s no nonsense about AA having a 5% success rate; they say about a third of alcoholics are successful using AA. This is actually higher than the numbers I have seen; for example, Moos and Moos 2006 shows that AA has a 67% success rate among the 25% or so of alcoholics who choose to be highly involved in the program their first year sober.
I am glad to see the mainstream press is starting to publish articles showing the real success rate for AA, instead of publishing articles with deceptive success rate figures (there is no peer-reviewed study which concludes AA has a 5% success rate!) which discourage people from going to a program which can save their life.
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